How to Relax Your Relationship with Money with Angela Anderson

What if you could relax your relationship with money and shift out of stress? On this episode of the Unshakable Being podcast Dr. Heather Clark, PharmD and Angela Anderson explore the idea of how deeply our finances are connected to our subconscious beliefs, and how we can choose to relax our relationship with money.

Money is a renewable resource, but we often have such an emotional relationship with it…and that is not helpful. Everyone’s experience with money and finances is different. Our limiting subconscious beliefs can be very subtle and are most apparent when we look at what’s not working in our life. There is a recipe for winning with money – we know what we need to do, and our limiting beliefs are what keep us from following it.

How we move through life, the creativity we have around problem solving, how we face situations are up to what is going on in our subconscious, and the way we react or respond may be a lie coming from a belief and the feelings that are attached to it. When we are in fear, we shift to our highest level of awareness and training. If you want to make an actual change in your beliefs, and your life, your subconscious is where you need to start.

Listen now as Heather and Angela share their experiences and knowledge about using the powerful technology of PSYCH-K to change deeply embedded subconscious beliefs, and how doing the subconscious work really supports the emotional maturity we need to deal with challenges and enjoy life.

Join us today as Angela and Heather talk about understanding that the way you speak comes from the way you think, which comes from what you believe, and when you know the truth, you can really set yourself free to speak what is true for you. Angela also encourages us to understand that when we are being shaken, we are not thing that is shaking us – we are beautiful souls on this planet to collaborate and love. The insight we need lives within our soul, and even though we may be shaking, we are able to come back to home and remember who we really are . . . unshakable.

Featured Guest

Angela Anderson

Wealth Activator and Financial Counselor

Angela Anderson is a wife, mother, and CEO of Mattal, Inc. and creator of the Financial Peace & Plenty program. A savvy, energetic, and inspired expert in business, finance, and subconscious reprogramming, Angela is on a mission to empower motivated small business owners to gain financial independence, wealth, and deep transformation.

After 7 years of struggling in her business, barely breaking even and draining her personal finances, Angela finally cracked the code and started earning consistent $10K+ months…while pulling 80% profits from her business. Angela’s unique style of working with her clients through the power of subconscious reprogramming and financial strategy has been described as down to earth, shockingly intuitive, precise, and effective on all levels within business, personal life, and spiritual life.

Angela has worked with hundreds of clients from all over the United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand.

When she’s not working with clients through the power of the internet, she can be found lounging around with her cat, cooking delicious food, and having fun with her family at the base of the Sangre de Cristo mountains in Southern Colorado.

To learn more about Angela and how she can support you to create financial peace & plenty, visit


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episode transcription

Heather Clark  00:01

Welcome to Unshakable Being, the podcast with inspiration and practical tools for purpose led leaders like you to relieve stress, build resilience, and unlock vitality in your life, body and business. I am Dr. Heather Clark, and I’ll be your host.


Heather Clark  00:18

Hello, and welcome to the show. Today we have guest, Angela Anderson. She’s a wife, she’s a mother, she’s a CEO, and she is the creator of Financial Peace and plenty program, a savvy, energetic and inspired expert in business, finance, and subconscious reprogramming Angeles on a mission to empower motivated small business owners to gain financial independence, wealth and deep transformation. Angela, I’m so excited to have you here. Welcome to the show.


Angela Anderson  00:51

Thank you, Heather. Thanks for having me. Thanks,


Heather Clark  00:55

I just really excited about this. So I want to just dive right in, tell me about finances and how people relate to finances, and their subconscious mind.


Angela Anderson  01:09

So finances is one of those big super subjects, meaning like we’ve got our health in one and our relationships in another and our work which is tied to our finances and another. And so it’s one of those like mega themed things that weaves into the fabric of our lives. And when we think about whether, like, you go to work, and you get money, or you have business that you run, and you serve people or have a product, he received that money, and then that money goes in and supports your health.


Angela Anderson  01:49

It can also be very supportive of your relationships, how you live your lifestyle. And what we don’t realize, well, honestly, let me retract on that one, we do realize that we have such an emotional relationship with money. That isn’t helpful. I, I can say that 90%, if not more people, regardless of how much they’re making, do have stress about finances for some reason or another. And so this, this marriage of this emotion that’s going on with money, and then us getting up every day and living our lives, having goals and dreams and visions, it can be a journey that is filled, it’s going to be filled with challenges, and disappointments and highs and lows.


Angela Anderson  02:47

But how we move through that and the creativity we have around problem solving. The the way that we’re able to de stress and even face situations head on, really is up to what is happening inside our subconscious and how our subconscious is programmed to see the world around us and respond to the world around us. So if you look around at your life, and you notice patterns with stress and finances and money, and it is something that is hard to control for you or that is a repetitive issue, then chances are your subconscious has some things going on that are not supportive, and on your side, and it’s an indication that, hey, there are some things that you can do, so that you can have a more relaxed relationship with your money.


Heather Clark  03:47

Because who doesn’t want a more relaxed relationship with their money? Oh, my goodness, because yet money is a huge source of stress. So with that subconscious element, what I’m hearing you say is that if it’s more than just a one off because you know, stuff happens, maybe you had a financial issue that does not necessarily mean it’s a subconscious issue. But if it pops up a couple few times, it sounds like what you’re saying is that’s an excellent indication that there’s something going on in the subconscious,


Angela Anderson  04:17

especially if you’re responding in a way that is driving you crazy. That is causing you to stay up at night to be really stressed out to try and have the world on your shoulders and make things happen or you get upset or disappointed. And so we know I think in our heart of hearts that more money or in or in you know an unlimited amount of money as if you were someone living in Oregon that has access to so much water. I live in Colorado and like when we go camping however there’s one spigot for the entire campground when we go to Oregon and we go camping every campground has their own spigot So what I mean by that is like money is a renewable resource, but our experience with it is different. And but you would find out that even if you could go to the spigot of money and open it, whether you had to walk across your campground or not, there is stress involves with so many of us. And so it’s not really amount about the amount that you have, or the accessibility that you have. It’s how you choose to see it. And all of that has to do with what’s going on in our subconscious.


Heather Clark  05:35

Now, I can’t quote the study, but it seems to me there was some research done that did discover that if you’re making under a certain amount of money, that that is a stress and above a certain amount of money. The stresses are more about your perception and how you relate to it. So there is a level at which there’s not enough money. But above that it’s a perception issue. Do you agree with that? Do you disagree with it? What’s your viewpoints on that? And just to give you a little more like where I’m coming from, because there might be people going well, yeah, but there truly isn’t enough money. Of course, that’s a stress. That’s where I’m coming from. Yeah,


Angela Anderson  06:11

you know, I actually have had this discussion on LinkedIn, I’ve had it a little bit on Facebook. And I honestly do believe that it is a stress until you do have a certain amount, we all want to know that we can pay our bills. That’s a reality. That’s a physical reality, the choices that we’ve made on where we live, right, and not teaching our children to turn the lights off, which drives the bill up higher, you know, there’s some nuances in there. But I actually I grew up in Thailand. And on a regular basis, every time I left my apartment, there were beggars. There were children selling snacks in the streets, wearing rags, no shoes, people with no limbs. And so from an early age, I really have witnessed poverty. And I know for a fact that if those folks had didn’t have to do that, in order to be able to eat, they would be happier. And so, but it is an interesting reality that the tables do turn, once you do have enough. So it’s kind of like, mean, we can look at it in any theme in life. Like, there’s someone that we all know, that is a really healthy eater, right? And we’re just like, well, how, how can they always be eating a salad like, you know, they don’t ever break down and eat Twinkies, like what’s going on with it. It’s just natural state of being, or like the person like my husband who loves to exercise. And for a long time, it’s like two hour mountain bike rides, and then half day skiing, and then three days in the mountains, and I’m just like,


Heather Clark  08:05

enjoy honey, enjoy.


Angela Anderson  08:07

And that’s what happens though, when you’re fortunate enough to live in a first world country have opportunities is we can build our wealth to a set point where we don’t have to worry about it, where things are happening more on automatic, which is then allows us to open up to more of our purpose and our impact and helping community and the things that we do when we are not thinking about what it’s like to pay, how we’re going to meet the bills.


Heather Clark  08:33

Beautiful. So with the subconscious beliefs that express themselves into the world and into your reality. Because we’re like completely on the same page about this. This is I remember telling people during a presentation one time we did an exercise to really get at what your subconscious beliefs are, but I didn’t tell them that this is what it was. And it was basically make a list of your current life circumstances. And then later in the presentation, pull that list out, guess what, these are your subconscious beliefs. How can you help somebody shift their situation financial or otherwise? And when do they know? What are the signals and the markers? What are the symptoms of understanding? Oh, this time to shift a subconscious belief versus Oh, it’s a different action to take or more hustle or like whatever people think, how can people tell when it’s truly a subconscious belief issue?


Angela Anderson  09:33

I love that question. Some people because they love all the groovy groovy stuff are constantly like, wanting to work in the metaphysical right and change things at that level. And so they lack action, actually, you know, like, Hey, have you heard of a thing called emergency funds? Like, you know, I know you meditate for an hour a day, but you know, setting those aside would probably really help Got one ended that end of the spectrum. And I, I love working with folks like that, because it really takes to energy work right? And, and they’re really open like, hey, um, I want to fix everything about me, this is awesome. And then I’ll yeah, on the other spectrum, it’s like, if you have all the knowledge, right, you’ve read the popular books on finance, or anything you want to change, and you’ve been, you take action and you do the thing, and you’re looking at your life. And it’s not where you thought it would be by now. That’s where I would say, chances are, there are some things that you’re thinking how you’re approaching it, your energetic, alignment, calibration, subconscious beliefs is a million way of saying it, that could just be a hair off. And it’s not because you’re bad or stupid, or anything like that. It’s just that, you know, a lot of people, let’s take the word being a good steward of money. And sometimes if someone grew up with a religious background, they have a really hard, that’s a negative trigger for them, because it means to be a martyr. And it means to give it all away, or to be really meager and live very humbly. And there’s a, there’s a clash, because a lot of people want to go on vacation and want to have a home where everyone has their own room. And there’s plenty of room for guests, right and wants to help their kid by their first car. But then they have this clash between Well, you know, I need to be a religious person or a good person and be in servitude and service. And so having they don’t realize that a belief that having a lot of money means that I can’t be, you know, a good person or so it’s very subtle. And it just really comes out in, hey, let’s look around at your life. Look at what’s not working. And if you’ve been doing all the things and still not clicking, chances are, there’s some beliefs there.


Heather Clark  12:14

Yeah, and especially if they discover they’re living from the obligation of their conditioning, like the conditioning tells them, well, if I make money, then I’m not a good person, or I’m supposed to give it away, or I have to do this, or I should you know, all of those trigger words that let us know they’re an obligation, which, from my perspective, obligation is one of the most toxic energies Sheamus, probably the worst, but obligation is socially acceptable. So it makes it more of an issue for people. So I really love how you’re sharing about, it’s a matter of their their belief system, their infrastructure, their upbringing, and it’s creating a life that just isn’t working for them.


Angela Anderson  12:57

Absolutely. You know, it’s interesting, you say the word shame because Heather, there’s still some times we’re on social media, like I spent a little time on LinkedIn, and Facebook every day and all and people who were, you know, business coaches, or, you know, using social media to build their business, try and come out as thought leaders, but they use the word shame. They’ll say, shame on you for, you know, and whatever it is their rent, and I’m just kind of like, ah, like, how many generations are we perpetuating this language? And you think about the way you speak, comes from the way you think, which comes from what you believe. And if words are flying out of your mouth, like, shame, and we can’t afford that even though you’ve got 50k in your bank account. We can’t afford to have $10 Mexican food. That’s a lie. It’s like it’s coming from a belief. So yeah, it language in feelings, the feelings attached to it. This was what you brought up for me that we’re just in this big pot of soup together.


Heather Clark  14:08

Exactly. And I like using language as a lens to not only see what’s going on, on my inside, because sometimes I’ll hear myself say something like, wow, that’s an interesting point of view, Heather. Let me look at that. Oh, that doesn’t sound right when I say it out loud. But also when other people are using Shame on you for there’s not a whole lot of instances where that’s probably appropriate. And I just, I would invite people to take a look at that. Like, what is that person’s motivation? Why is it interest? Why are they invested in shaming me? What do they stand to gain and why are they using manipulation?


Angela Anderson  14:50

It’s so much smarter patien because I’m just like, are we in the 1950s? Like, blah like delete?


Heather Clark  14:59

Yeah, helps me to kind of see who that is. So that I’m like, so I just I, I am unlikely to work with, especially me paying them money. No, not gonna do that. But I also use it as an opportunity like, Oh, that’s interesting that shows up in my world. What’s that about? Do I have that? Yeah,


Angela Anderson  15:17

I’m doing this again. Yeah. And in your language, your you know, that’ll that is an indicator, if you have limiting beliefs, and you know, someone being brave enough to point out to you, you know, how many times you say I need to do this, I have to do that. It you know, because that’s actually I come from that, that school of I need to, I have to, that’s kind of my, my mode, that when I’m in fear, I shift to what you shift to your highest level of training, right. And that level of training is embedded in your subconscious, because when you need it, you just act it out. And the need to the half to the shame on us, the whatever it is the knee jerk reactions, those are also indicators of limiting beliefs, if that are keeping us in jail.


Heather Clark  16:11

Yeah, which that’s no fun. That’s no fun. Let’s get more freedom in our lives. And I really like the the challenging people’s perception, you know, you’ve got 50k in the bank, and you can’t afford $10 Mexican food. Maybe that’s true. Maybe that’s not I would suggest that I agree with you the whole, maybe you’re choosing to not invest in the Mexican food at this moment? And what if that’s okay? What if choosing is fine? Like, you’ve got plenty of money, that doesn’t mean you have to then use it for whatever comes up.


Angela Anderson  16:43

Exactly. Or being honest with yourself, what’s the real reason? Um, I don’t want to say no to my kids, because I want them to love me. And so it’s really revealing. It’s not about the money, it’s about the fact that it’s difficult for you to set healthy boundaries or express yourself, or fear of being judged or being rejected. You know, there’s all kinds of reasons why we might say we can’t afford something that have nothing to do with money and more to do with us.


Heather Clark  17:23

Yeah, yeah. Cuz that’s one of those things. I’m sure that when you’re working with clients, it isn’t all money focused balances, like I make X amount of money easily and gracefully, I’m sure that you’re doing things like that. But it does often boil down to instead of I am loved when I do this for my kids, or I am loved when when removing that condition. And simply I’m left and creates more flow and probably really impacts a person’s bank account as well.


Angela Anderson  17:51

Yeah, absolutely. And also, when you think about, where we’re stuck in our own patterns around how we think and do things, well, a lot of it is just being is inherited and passed down. And so how are we raising our a new generation? Are we were, do you want to pass down the I’m just enjoying the knee jerk reaction that I can’t afford this, instead of really connecting with ourselves and finding out the truth about the matter. I mean, when you know the truth, you can that you can really set yourself free to say what is what is true to you. I could be that you don’t have the money, but that’s fine to be true. Yeah. You don’t have to be embarrassed to say that either. Like, hey, you know, I’m a poor college kid, or I don’t want to spend the money.


Heather Clark  18:45

Yeah, I’ve got it. And I don’t want to or I don’t have it, and I wish it did. Like it’s all fine. There doesn’t need to be a charge around that. Yeah, I’m, I’m very curious. How does a person accumulate subconscious beliefs?


Angela Anderson  19:01

Well, from my training and my understanding, and I’m really coming at this from, I’ll come at it from an intellectual point of view, but then also an experience. I’m almost 45 and so I can really see as we’ve grown, you know, as we grow through the years, how it works is so my training, I used to work for the psych k center International, which is a personal development program that helps you reprogram subconscious beliefs. And I was their bookkeeper. And obviously, as I was in there, doing all the books, I was fascinated with the work that they do and how they help people and, and learned, learned it all and what I remember being told and what really made sense to me is that we’ll of course we’re going to, to get our motherboard of core beliefs and all of their offshoots when we’re little because when we’re Little, we’re just in taking all this information, the adults around us are teaching us how to live, the stove is hot, you know, sweet potatoes are yuck, whatever it is, you know it. And so it’s from all of those experiences when we were young is, and then learning how our brain actually works like a computer and how it has to sort through it and create associations. And then like almost like store files, that way we can pull up the file and process or have our cognitive processes, going very quickly. So that we can continue to live like imagine having to get up and have to learn how to walk every day, you know, or, and that’s how you can you can see it in real life, how languages develops, and then it then it gets more. As we get older, it just gets a little more complicated. And you know, like you’re burned by the fire when you’re a kid like my son who got too close to the woodstove who learned that one really quickly. But then you also get quote, unquote, burned and relationships are burned in business. So what I noticed though, Heather, is that as we have new experiences in our lives, oftentimes how those experiences go when the outcome of those experiences is because of our core beliefs. But that’s when we have the opportunity to change them, or to see what’s happening in the moment, and make a different choice. So for example, when I met my husband, I don’t think I’ve ever said this on a podcast before. But when I met my husband, he was like, friends with two or three of his exes. So we were just boyfriend, girlfriend, and one of them was going to come and stay, it was like two or three of them were like, in and out of his life in the first couple of months that we were dating. And I had to decide, am I gonna, like, get weirded out by this? Or do I like this guy enough to just say, none of my business, you know, and, and actually be confident about what might happen. I am so glad that I didn’t draw my out, because now we’re married. And it’s awesome. And it was nothing, you know, they weren’t coming back for anything other than to just stay at the house because it was convenient, you know, or that they generally. And so you think about like, like in terms of money. And we as kids, we’re not stores of money necessarily, until we start getting a job and then growing up and having payments and bills and raising your own families, we don’t often realize that we’ve got some old programs in there that just haven’t been activated, because we were kids when we were fed the information. But now that we’re adults, how to go about your financial business is now being activated. It was dormant all this time, because you were growing up and didn’t need to access those files. But as we get older, we start to access them. But then you add on something bad that happened to you or a divorce or a breakup, or challenging times as a parent. Like, there’s so many things that go on in our lives. And it it’s like beliefs on top of beliefs on top of beliefs. It’s like, Oh, just I want a nap. Like, take me Apple for now. Yeah.


Angela Anderson  23:49

So that’s how I like to describe it is how that happens is like, it just gets I mean, there’s just so much in our in our genius computers. And I mean, think about your own computer like literally our phones. Is there a limit to how many apps we can download on our phones, because I have three pages of them. And I just uploaded a new one the other day, like that’s what it is. It’s like you just keep adding on adding on adding on.


Heather Clark  24:19

And it sounds like you’re we’re in agreement that you absorb those subconscious beliefs directly. And it’s not so much what people tell you. It’s what you see and experience. It’s it’s like the energy of all of that just absorbing it directly. I love this. So yeah, it sounds like from part of your origin story. It was being the bookkeeper. For the people who created psych K. Is that what brought you to this work?


Angela Anderson  24:47

It was Yeah,


Heather Clark  24:48

I love it. I love it and it feels like you’ve really discovered a passion for truly helping people short shore with finances, but really with everything else in their lives.


Angela Anderson  24:59

Absolutely. I was shocked and amazed at how, how quickly it was to have a session and see the benefits within three months, big benefits, life changing benefits. Now, I worked for them. Before I had my first session, it took quite a few months of education still. Cuz, you know, I mean, there’s so many books out there. There’s so many modalities, and there’s so many fun things that you can do. And I believe that people that are offering this work are good intentioned, and they have found their lane and what feels good to them. And so it’s just a matter of Do you resonate? And do you want to try this? And I think that when those two are in line, like, people just kind of float to psych K, they don’t know how they find me where it is that they started hearing, but somehow they just flow it just so they resonate, the resonance is there, then they make the decision. And that’s the perfect recipe for getting amazing results, changing your beliefs using that modality.


Heather Clark  26:16

Yeah, and we’ve talked about this before, this is also a modality that I use as well, I love psych K, it is fast, it is simple. It is powerful. Nothing not to like there. But so there are some listeners that are like, what, what, what are we talking about? So could you give us just a brief overview of you know, don’t give away all the secrets, but like, what are we talking about here? What is it? Like? How do you shift a belief, you know, without maybe all the mechanics, but kind of give us a high level overview of what psych K is about?


Angela Anderson  26:52

Yeah, so it’s really a way of is a set of tools and processes that help you access your subconscious mind. And we have all the research and the information there saying that if you want to make an actual change, that’s where you need to go. Right. So it’s kind of like you can exercise out exercise a bad diet, maybe in your 20s, but mom’s 40. So I got to like, you know, figure out how to like the salads. So this, the same thing is look at it that way is like you if you want to make a change, you are going to need some tools to help you if you’re going to build a house. Some of the most popular tools in the beginning are a, you know heavy machinery machinery to dig your trenches and get your septic and all that and same thing here. So that’s what it is. And then the actual experience is quite simple. It is getting into a state of mind, that allows you to really be in communication with your subconscious. And so it’s almost like we see we go in and out of states of hypnosis all day long. It’s kind of like that where you are, you know, you know, you’re you’re down in there, and you’re in a certain wave frequency, but you’re also conscious of what’s happening at the same time. And yeah, you just literally communicate new instructions to your subconscious. And we use muscle testing to guide us during the process, which is also nice, because it takes me as a person, like an individual personality away from, ooh, this is working or Uz, like acting like I know what’s really going on. When so we use muscle testing to direct us. And it’s really that simple is we, we take a belief that you would like to have and we do the state of super learning with working with your brain, your consciousness, your subconscious. Give your whole mind body spiritual system, the instructions, use muscle testing to make sure that we’re on track, everybody’s on board. It’s safe, it’s good to go. And then close everything up with a final muscle test and say, okay, we’ve we’ve got it and the great part about it, Heather, is that you can walk away you don’t really have anything to do. Because it’s subconscious work. And it’s not like you’re telling your right leg, okay, now move, engage these 10 muscles so that I can take this step. You’re not doing that with 95% of what’s going on in your life anyway, so when we do this change work. That’s part of all of that automatic stuff.


Heather Clark  29:59

Love That I love how fast it is it takes sometimes a few minutes to figure out well, what’s, what’s the belief they’d like to, in my words, install. Takes few minutes to get to that. And just a few minutes to get the work done. And that’s really kind of it. I can’t tell you how many people are like Matt said, I’m like, that’s it. And then it varies. Some people see results immediately. Sometimes it’s a few weeks, sometimes it’s a couple of months. But pretty much always there was a big result.


Angela Anderson  30:34

I agree. Yeah, it’s I call it the blood draining moment. When you are in your kitchen, or getting out of the shower or walking from your car into the grocery store, and you’re like, Whoa, it worked. You know? And yeah, yeah. Yeah, you catch yourself in your new reality. And it just feels so normal. So the thing that’s interesting about the subconscious is, and I take notes with all of my clients, we, we use Google Docs, and I typed like, 100 words a minute. So it’s awesome to be able to just write down everything that they’re saying and how their reaction right after doing a change process, because I have clients that work with me over the years, you know, it’s not, it’s not always like a weekly session or anything like that. But yeah, there’s clients that have been with me for years. And so we have a 40 page document. And it’s so fun to go down memory lane and be like, do you remember when you were like this? And they’re like, Ah, that’s water under the bridge now. And, you know, it’s, but then there’s other times where it can feel like you’re like, Who am I? I don’t know what happened. I know something happened, I feel different. And so a lot of times, people have a hard time wrapping their mind around it, because it’s not a conscious process. And we want to, like compartmentalize it, and label it and slot it, and put language on it. And it just is. It’s inexplicable, even spokespeople for the work like Dr. Bruce Lipton, they get to a point where they’re like, I don’t know what to say to you anymore. Like, this part. I can’t say anything about is here in the quantum realm. stuff’s changing. Everyone’s experience is different. What can I say?


Heather Clark  32:30

Yeah, I remember that. Before, as I was leaning into, oh, she’s am I’m intuitive. As I was beginning to lean into that. I was looking at different belief clearing technologies and came across psych K, as a result of Bruce Lipton was like, This is my number one favorite, like, Well, tell me about that one. And it’s really funny, because I remember at the time, I was like, and people can do this over distance, I just don’t think that’s the thing. And now like, I have almost zero in person clients. It’s all distance. It’s, it’s just such a powerful technology. And it’s so simple and so easy. I would like to hear more about how you apply this tool and these approaches to the subconscious to help people with money, like how do you help people with finances using subconscious tool?


Angela Anderson  33:24

Yeah. So I truly believe in the bottom of my heart that we all have access to common sense, when it comes to how to deal with money. Even if your life your childhood was chaos with money, at some point, we know, hey, it’s good to save, hey, maybe don’t get into so much debt, right? Hey, it’s really nice to own a house and have a stable place to live or, hey, there’s this thing called retirement and you’re not going to earn as much money as you get older, you might want to start preparing. So, yeah, there’s a lot of ins and outs and nuances and like budgeting apps, and you know, do I go with fidelity or john who is JP so inside? Oh, so the there are still a lot of decisions and things to learn in terms of money, but the actual basics of winning with money, I believe, is inside of us that we inherited or learned from somewhere, even if it wasn’t our own parents. It’s back to then our perception. Oh, I don’t want to have to give up my latte. And, you know, or, you know, if I start budgeting, then you know, I like I’m not good with math or all my paperwork is out of order in It’s the way that we’ve been running our lives based on our perceptions that then can make winning with money and actually doing the things that we need to do with money challenging. And I always love relating this to health and fitness, I actually used to be a health and fitness professional is the same thing, Heather, we know we need to eat our vegetables and drink our water, and move our bodies and sleep well. And that’s the recipe. Same thing with money, there is a recipe. And we, the reason why we don’t fall is because of our limiting beliefs. So what I found is that when my clients come to work with me, that’s the first thing we do is we just knock out some of the big goblins. That way, they can just de stress and start to get into their flow in their creative genius, and feel confident and excited. And so as we move into the more nitty gritty of money management, who do you need to talk to what’s going on with your CPA, you know, all of that kind of stuff. They welcome it. And when we do run into snack foods, then the challenge feels we can be creative with how we’re going to work it out. Instead of like, Here we go again, I knew it, you know, you know, instead of I was on the phone half the day with the IRS, it was more like Well, I was on the phone half the day with the IRS. And I got three loads of laundry done. And I listened to my favorite music. It doesn’t mean that just because you change a limiting belief, you’re never going to be on the phone with the IRS. Sorry. That’s life. But it really changes your quality of life and how you approach your challenges. It’s amazing.


Heather Clark  36:53

Yeah, and instead of reacting to it, and oh, what was B on the phone? It’s more of a response. Like, yes, it’s based on the situation I chose to call the IRS. I happen to be on the phone with them for half day didn’t enjoy that. But look at what all i got done. And it’s it’s that shifting into that we’re really being unshakeable about it like yeah, okay, that sucked. And like, that’s fine. Is there an opportunity here? Is there something to clear is there? Nope, cool. And then just moving on instead of really allowing, I hate to say allowing yourself to be devastated by that, because that isn’t quite what I mean. But when you’ve got a lot of the blocks, especially subconscious blocks, that often does trigger that feeling of devastation. And I bring it up, because that’s what I’ve noticed in my life and that of many of my clients, that’s an indication, maybe there’s something going on in the subconscious, maybe there’s something that we can address, that it might not eliminate those calls to the IRS, like you just said, but it can shift your perception of them and eliminate the stress from them.


Angela Anderson  37:59

Exactly. And maybe even at the outcome I, I had a client who had backpack stuff to clean up. And we did a lot of belief change work, and she made her phone call. And she was like, You know what, that was actually pretty lovely. I spoke with a real human who really seems normal, not robotic, or authoritative, or some of the perceptions that we have of calling these organizations and she goes and we, we cleared it up, I’m now I know what I need to do. Whereas your choices is you can spend that half day and know what you need to do, and just fix it. Or you can spend another five years and have them, you know, garnish your bank account. So you know, it’s some of the things that we need to do with money we just have to do. And so it’s wonderful that I believe the subconscious work really supports the emotional maturity that we need to just do the stuff and also enjoy our lives. Do this stuff.


Heather Clark  39:16

I love it. I love it. Um, tell me about financial therapy.


Angela Anderson  39:24

So that is back to that. I’ll use it in specific examples. It seems like each and every one of my clients has a part that is painful or difficult to look at. That is actually directly affecting their finances. So I’ll give you three examples. The first one is a client of mine who’s single. And so she feels alone a lot and she’d love to meet somebody and have a love relationship and And start a different chapter of her life. But the pandemic has been really hard on that. She hired me to help her organize her money, because she, her business has really taken off, really picked up steam. And what we’ve discovered, though working together is she just has a hardest time asking for help. Because she, she’s felt alone for a long time. She’s had to do all of it by herself. She makes her own coffee, she does the, you know, the shopping and the cooking and the cleaning. And so all of that has seeped into her life of everything I have to do alone, you know, my CPA does a little bit, but I do most of it right? Or so we fixed that. When I say fix that we went in and we did psych k about being able to ask for help and being open opportunities. And come to find out, I was also working with her on how to start looking to buy a home. Because entrepreneurs don’t often look good on paper. And so they need to have financial things in place in order to make that process a lot smoother. And she was just like, Hey, you know, two days after a session, a friend called me that I’d been thinking about hadn’t talked to a friend and like six months, by the way, she’s a realtor in the area that I want to buy in. So she’s helping me out. And I’ve got my dad looking for this thing. He’s all excited. And she just felt like she had people. And it wasn’t like they weren’t there for her. But she just had a different energy that she went about her. And now she’s got people and she’s got a team and we’ve even on boarded more financial professionals to help her so she doesn’t have a 40% tax bill anymore. And because of that one belief change of being able to allow people enter live and not feel so alone anymore.


Heather Clark  42:02

Yes, I’ve seen that in my life. And that of my clients as well is that when you shift that subconscious belief, it magnetizes the support that you wanted, it magnetizes to you the success you’re after. And it happens in such a way you’re like was this was that a magic wand? What’s going on here? So it’s just it’s really great. I’m so glad to hear someone else’s getting similar results with their clients and doing wonderful things in the world.


Angela Anderson  42:29

Another client of mine as we were going through her budget, her mortgage looked really high. And I said well, okay, she’s This is what she’s hired me for. And so we had a discussion about it, and it come to find out Yeah, she loves the house. But it was a burden. And you know, always something to do. You know, if you’re a homeowner, shake your head. It’s like there’s leaves and there’s a fireplace and there’s like dust everywhere all the time. And it’s so we did psych k around her ability to feel safe and comfortable. And know that beautiful, amazing situate living situation was available to her that she wasn’t stuck in her house. And also that her daughters would be excited about it because it That was one thing that was really hard for her she she’d gone through a divorce. And she just didn’t want to put her kids through more change and more upheaval. And so she realized that that was part of why she was hanging on to this bird and and so yeah, we did psych k around it literally Heather Two weeks later. Again, she went to a networking event sat next to a realtor, right got her house listed. It got an offer for $15,000 above her asking price the first day, she sold it and she moved into this cute little condo, her girls love it. It’s in the same neighborhood. And she’s just like now the money is all freed up to be able to go travel and take care of her health and do all these other things. So that was just worked out beautifully for her. Oh, that’s


Heather Clark  44:14

gorgeous, removing the suffering, removing the sacrifice and it brings to her freedom and possibilities. Love it. Love it.


Heather Clark  44:23

So Angela, what does it mean to you to be unshakable?


Angela Anderson  44:29

Well, I get shaken. And so what it means to me is that when I’m getting shaken, I know that I am not the thing that is shaking me. Right. It’s almost like the time that I can recover from being torn down to knowing that I am a beautiful soul on on this planet to collaborate and love, and all of these amazing things, and so I have to admit I am shaking a lot. I have a lot of things I’m attached to still and that I consider to be important, but really aren’t right. And you know, but yeah, it’s for me. It’s like being able to come back to home. And remember who I really am, why I’m here or even being open to receiving the message about why I’m here again, that then makes me realize even though I’m shaking, I’m unshakable.


Heather Clark  45:42

Beautiful. Beautiful. Thank you so much. Is there anything you would like to add? Before we get to where people can find you?


Angela Anderson  45:51

I want to know whether, when you first experienced cy K, do you remember what your very first balance was? And how that affected you?


Heather Clark  46:00

Question? Oh, when a good question. I do not. Wait. No. I do remember what the first balance was. It was yes means yes. And No means no. All the time. Because I was getting weird answers with the muscle testing. And the the instructor was like, oh, okay, stop right here. Let’s do this one. And that alone was worth the price of admission, like that changed everything in my life. And that really helped. Because that before that, I knew in my head that no was a complete sentence.


Angela Anderson  46:40

I knew in my head intellectually, you knew? Yeah, yeah. When people


Heather Clark  46:44

say yes, they mean, yes. But I also knew from experience that that isn’t always true. But but but but and there was a lot of extra work that that took, but when I was like, yes means yes. No means no. All the time. It was really easy to deliver a powerful, no. Like, no, or Yes. Which means that now, this is something that will happen. And if something else comes up, I will let you know. I think it just became a lot more of a commitment. So that’s the first one that I remember. huge changes. And then of course, once I did that everything sat differently. For me, it’s hard to articulate what it’s like to have had the shift. But it’s things didn’t exactly have a different color, but it’s as if they did. And I was like, okay, that’s great. How many can we get through today? Let’s go through. Like, this is great.


Angela Anderson  47:39

Yeah. So yeah, we’re in high water here. And we’re going Yeah, actually,


Heather Clark  47:44

get it done, guys. Come on.


Angela Anderson  47:46

Yeah. Oh, that’s so cool. In I love how, because that came out because you the muscle testing was wonky for you. But what, what I also noticed in my practice, and how I, the beliefs that my clients changes, it’s it’s also all of the prototypes of what yes means yes. And No means no means it’s, it’s specific to the muscle testing, because you wanted to have a result, you didn’t want to fight with yourself all weekend long. Because a lot of people do that. That’s like the biggest one in the workshops. It’s like, Are you serious? Come on, we got to get past this thing. But I love how, how then it infiltrated. All in like I was saying earlier, like 20 minutes ago, we our mind makes associations, right has one instance, makes all these associations puts a file together. Your yes means yes, No means no file was totally reorganized.


Heather Clark  48:44

It really was because there’s a lot of well, you know, sometimes that’s true. That’s true, unless this is true. And then under these conditions, that’s not like that’s a lot of work. And I was unconsciously taking on all of that work and doing all of that emotional and spiritual label labor for other people. And I was just like, Oh, I am free of that.



You just described an empath that is not in their power. Right there.


Heather Clark  49:08

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.


Angela Anderson  49:10

Yep. That the hope the curse of the empath. Oh my gosh.


Heather Clark  49:16

Yeah. And then I was able to, I don’t remember if I if it was required for me to balance for I am safe. But it’s that sort of thing, where I could then set a boundary and just let people have whatever feelings about that they wanted to. And more often than not, I’m not a jerk about it. I’m not saying I’m never a jerk about a boundary. But like, no, this is no no if you if that requires you to have a meltdown. Enjoy that meltdown. Yeah. Not coming along with you and I’m not moving this boundary.


Angela Anderson  49:49

The sky is blue. The cat is gray. And that’s a no.


Heather Clark  49:55

Water is wet. The sun rises in the east. That’s not happening.


Angela Anderson  50:01

I love it. Yes, oh my goodness, you really freed yourself. And I always love hearing about people’s first experiences with psych K, because I and in fact, one of the one of the most delightful things for me to do is do a first time session with someone. And I love working with people that that have never experienced it. And to be that, that one guiding them through their first experience. You know, there’s nothing like the first time and I just in a way, like, the less that you know, and are you in your head about it, then that doesn’t, you don’t have to have get you don’t have, you don’t get results by knowing more about how your mind works. And, you know, coming in with a notebook full of limiting beliefs, just start with one. And if you want to read all the books and go to YouTube, and watch Bruce for the next 10 days, you can but you don’t need to do that in order to have a session and get a result.


Heather Clark  51:05

And the other thing I really like is that you can shift one belief, and that alone can shift a few, several dozens, hundreds of other beliefs that like it’s not like I have, I have my list of limiting beliefs. And I have my limiting belief journal, and I’m just gonna throw it off, that’s not required. Let’s just find the one that’s the most charged for you. Let’s find the one that’s the most up for you, the one that brings you the most joy or pisses you off the most let’s start there. Because it tends to just clear the other stuff. And then I’m just very present to I did some, I can’t remember which one it was I don’t think it was the advanced. course it was the one of the not the basic, but one of the other psych k classes happened to be in the same town that my nephews live in. So I was able to stop by and visit them for a little bit. And one of my nephews, he’s so sweet. We just did the muscle testing. Like, let me just show you what this is. And you could just see that, like a whole new world opened up for him. He went from living in a world where that’s not a thing to living in the world, or that is a thing. And that was really cool. And it was just so much fun. I was like honey, just that alone will change your life. Enjoy.


Angela Anderson  52:27

Yeah. kids do really well with it. It takes that Yeah. Two minutes, three minutes. tops. Yeah, they’re just


Heather Clark  52:35

not that attached to like, Okay, cool. That’s the new way. Got it.


Angela Anderson  52:38



Heather Clark  52:41



Angela Anderson  52:43

Yeah. And they make it fun. They’re not all heavy about it. It’s not our core cry. It’s not a requirement to cry during a session or to dredge everything up. That can be helpful sometimes, but it’s about changing.


Heather Clark  53:00

Well, I deeply held very heavy beliefs, things that are really creating major problems in your life, not just inconveniences, but like, deep major problems can be shifted, like, in just a moment. Like, for real, you don’t have to sit in the balance for longer because you’ve had the belief for longer or because it’s more major. You know, it’s like it really can just be sometimes it’s a few seconds, sometimes it’s the full couple of minutes, and then it’s just gone. Yeah. And I get really excited about it. Because it’s the kind of thing that I used to hear and be like, yeah, okay, whatever. That’s good for you. Uh huh. And it’s a real thing. Yeah. So it’s, there’s just so much possibility. And it’s so simple.


Angela Anderson  53:47

And it sounds like for a person like that is the first one that we do is it’s quick and easy for me to change. You know, those kinds of things. And that’s what I also saw in workshops, too, is, is you were talking about your muscle testing, there’s one posture with the one where you have your arms open and your cup your hands. Some people are there like stiff as boards, and it’s like, okay, you know, the first one that we need to do now is that you don’t have to be here in this posture for an hour. And getting getting the belief that change can happen quickly. Yeah, yeah. It’s It’s exciting. It’s fun. I I love doing it in partnership with people. You can go to a workshop and do this alone, if you if you want. But there is something amazing about someone bearing witness and helping facilitate these changes with you. And because even though we have the tools, we don’t always sit down and do them. I mean, back to the health and fitness stuff. How many cookbooks do you have on your shelf? You know, you’re ordering pizza. And when’s


Heather Clark  54:57

the last time you’ve cracked that and when is… Yeah.


Angela Anderson  55:00

And it’s


Heather Clark  55:01

Yeah, it’s kind of like recovering for burnout. Like, I could tell you all the steps, I can give them to you for free, here you go. and implementing them is a completely different animal. Because there’s different things in the way for different people. And that’s why this is more of just clearing, the depth of the implementation is much, much easier. Where it’s almost you’re drawn towards it, and it’s happening. Regardless, it feels a lot more effortless, typically for people.


Angela Anderson  55:28

Mmm hmm


Heather Clark  55:30

Love it. Thank you so much. This has been such a delight. I’ve enjoyed having you on


Angela Anderson  55:34

I’ve enjoyed talking with you.


Heather Clark  55:37

Beautiful. Tell us where people can find you because there’s people with their notebooks going like where’s this at? What do I get this?


Angela Anderson  55:45

Yeah, let’s just go already. Angela. Hey, you could be changed. People have messaged me, and they’re like, I think I changed some beliefs just listening to that interview. And that is totally possible. All it is is literally your brain shifting into a certain way and you finally getting the information. It’s like the Epiphany, the feeling of an epiphany. So yeah, if you want to contact me, you can go to my website, Angela Anderson, dot life very important that dot life Li f EE. Angela Anderson calm is a very accomplished painter. And I often get messages for her. And I’m like, Hey, I can’t really draw a stick figure. But I can make French onion soup. Wrong, Angela Anderson. So make sure you go to Angela Anderson dot life. That’s really the place to go. I’m active on Facebook, Angela Anderson 1008. It’s just a personal profile. I’m active on LinkedIn as well. And I’m happy to talk with you I offer a 911 money makeover that’s just a free console’s. Or you can go to my website, and you can see what my 90 minute wealth activation psyche session is all about. And just get yourself on the schedule, and we can just go as well. So it’s really up to you how you want to how you want to look at it, and you can join my community I I’m a big writer, I love to write and so I send out a daily millionaire money message. You can grab that and we’ll just see where your wealth journey takes you on if I can be a part of it. I’d love to support you.


Heather Clark  57:22

Outstanding. Thank you so much.


Angela Anderson  57:26

Thank you.


Heather Clark  57:29

Thanks so much for listening. I’d love to hear from you. Go to and submit your question, comment, or topic request. May you be unshakable, unstoppable, and vibrant again. Until next time.